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+1Knadan wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:08 pm
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Thanks Pandora, I appreciate that.Pandora's Box wrote:+1
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:28 pm
So what? He's keeping an open mind. Why should his believes be bound by organised religion.Knadan wrote:
I may come up with other points later, but this is what I've got for now.
Although FutureShadow, aren't the beliefs of your later statement generally contradictory to Roman Catholicism?
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:32 pm
As much as my body and mind are screaming at me to counter your points, I'm not going to. Not because you've won, but because this frustrating argument is a poor use of my time and isn't worth it.Legal wrote:
- Read please, Knadan.:
My whole post just got deleted so excuse me if this seems rushed I need to type again.
1) Okay, but why is that religion true? What makes that one so special?
2) Well I wouldn't like it. But why should I? Your argument proves that we created God to make ourselves feel special. We're not special. We're an amazing accident. Why should we need to think we have a purpose?
3) Your lack of knowledge on Stars is quite depressing. When stars explode they release basic elements that create almost everything we see. Look it up, it's fact.
4) Evolution does not say that Iguanas turn into Parrots in several generations. It takes many many many thousands or millions of years for a slight adaptation. Look it up.
5) The Bible is consistent? Do you still follow the rules from the old testament? If people did we'd all be murdering homophobes.
6) Young Earth Creationists are disgusting. Anyone who believes the world was created in 7 days by the click of a finger is dangerous to society. Teaching children these lies makes them stupid and gives them a disadvantage in the world. Religion may not be a lie but creationism IS. End of story.
7) I simply say that I think it would be more amazing if the world was an accident rather than created by intelligence. That's just my preference. No believes or facts there.
However, you really think that morals come from the Bible?
It's human nature to love eachother and care for eachother. Or quite the opposite. To kill and hate eachother. It's just that as the time has gone on, our lives are easier to care for eachother. Do you really think that every rule in the Bible and the 10 commandments is followed today? I didn't think so.
8) Science and God can co-exists. I never said they couldn't. As long as science doesn't contradict the beliefs it's all good. But when it does. Sorry religion.
9) There was literally not a shred of evidence in that video. (that's the wonderful thing about religion, isn't it.) That fact that Earth is in the goldilocks zone is not because of God, it's just a coincidence. There is other planets in goldilocks zones. Does God control them too?
I could give you so much more information about why you're argument is flawed. Please just look it up. You're an intelligent person. I honestly don't see how you think God made all this.
A little (I'm joking it's 2 hours long) video to keep you entertained. Should answer some questions you have about my argument.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:35 pm
Whatever. I'll leave you with this. Religion won't change it's mind.Knadan wrote:As much as my body and mind are screaming at me to counter your points, I'm not going to. Not because you've won, but because this frustrating argument is a poor use of my time and isn't worth it.Legal wrote:
- Read please, Knadan.:
My whole post just got deleted so excuse me if this seems rushed I need to type again.
1) Okay, but why is that religion true? What makes that one so special?
2) Well I wouldn't like it. But why should I? Your argument proves that we created God to make ourselves feel special. We're not special. We're an amazing accident. Why should we need to think we have a purpose?
3) Your lack of knowledge on Stars is quite depressing. When stars explode they release basic elements that create almost everything we see. Look it up, it's fact.
4) Evolution does not say that Iguanas turn into Parrots in several generations. It takes many many many thousands or millions of years for a slight adaptation. Look it up.
5) The Bible is consistent? Do you still follow the rules from the old testament? If people did we'd all be murdering homophobes.
6) Young Earth Creationists are disgusting. Anyone who believes the world was created in 7 days by the click of a finger is dangerous to society. Teaching children these lies makes them stupid and gives them a disadvantage in the world. Religion may not be a lie but creationism IS. End of story.
7) I simply say that I think it would be more amazing if the world was an accident rather than created by intelligence. That's just my preference. No believes or facts there.
However, you really think that morals come from the Bible?
It's human nature to love eachother and care for eachother. Or quite the opposite. To kill and hate eachother. It's just that as the time has gone on, our lives are easier to care for eachother. Do you really think that every rule in the Bible and the 10 commandments is followed today? I didn't think so.
8) Science and God can co-exists. I never said they couldn't. As long as science doesn't contradict the beliefs it's all good. But when it does. Sorry religion.
9) There was literally not a shred of evidence in that video. (that's the wonderful thing about religion, isn't it.) That fact that Earth is in the goldilocks zone is not because of God, it's just a coincidence. There is other planets in goldilocks zones. Does God control them too?
I could give you so much more information about why you're argument is flawed. Please just look it up. You're an intelligent person. I honestly don't see how you think God made all this.
A little (I'm joking it's 2 hours long) video to keep you entertained. Should answer some questions you have about my argument.
All I'm going to say is that you missed the main point of 3. and you only watched the video, you didn't go do to the article links that go into further depth.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:40 pm
But doesn't the answer, "God did it." bring up the question "How did God do it?" I believe that God and science can coexist and prove each other.Legal wrote:I saw this quote on youtube. This gives me faith in humanity.
''The title of the discussion is not a statement - it is a question. After all, science is about asking questions. Answers are boring - questions are exciting. Answers are closed; questions invite possibility, investigation, mystery. "Because God did it" is a hollow, lazy, useless explanation (besides being so clearly WRONG); always was, always will be.''
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:41 pm
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:43 pm
But that's the thing. God is meant to be all powerful. We're not supposed to understand how he did it because he's supposedly more intelligent than us. But yes, ''how did God do it?'' is a very interesting question. If some intelligent creator did do it. I'd love to ask him, not why, but how.Pandora's Box wrote:But doesn't the answer, "God did it." bring up the question "How did God do it?" I believe that God and science can coexist and prove each other.Legal wrote:I saw this quote on youtube. This gives me faith in humanity.
''The title of the discussion is not a statement - it is a question. After all, science is about asking questions. Answers are boring - questions are exciting. Answers are closed; questions invite possibility, investigation, mystery. "Because God did it" is a hollow, lazy, useless explanation (besides being so clearly WRONG); always was, always will be.''
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:45 pm
For the record, last I checked, nowhere in the Bible does it say humanity isn't allowed to try and figure out how God made things. That combined, with you're own statement of "I'd love to ask Him, not why, but how." brings us to part of how modern science began.Legal wrote:But that's the thing. God is meant to be all powerful. We're not supposed to understand how he did it because he's supposedly more intelligent than us. But yes, ''how did God do it?'' is a very interesting question. If some intelligent creator did do it. I'd love to ask him, not why, but how.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:52 pm
Because people started to question God.Knadan wrote:For the record, last I checked, nowhere in the Bible does it say humanity isn't allowed to try and figure out how God made things. That combined, with you're own statement of "I'd love to ask Him, not why, but how." brings us to part of how modern science began.Legal wrote:But that's the thing. God is meant to be all powerful. We're not supposed to understand how he did it because he's supposedly more intelligent than us. But yes, ''how did God do it?'' is a very interesting question. If some intelligent creator did do it. I'd love to ask him, not why, but how.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:03 pm
That is also a load of dingo's kidneys, despite mainstream beliefs. Through history, the leading scientists have usually been religious. A majority of the most famous scientist in history, untill recent times atleast, have been very religious. You don't have to "question" God to have a passion for science, to think that is also arogant.Legal wrote:
Because people started to question God.
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:31 pm
Just because science didn't come first, that doesn't mean it's always right either. There are plenty of examples of things being "proven" by science, and then lo and behold, it's actually wrong, or at least not completely right.Legal wrote:Okay fair enough my point about questioning God was unnecessary. But people wanted more answers to questions that religion couldn't answer. And so we started discovering.
But just because religion came first doesn't mean it's right. In fact it implies more so that religion is more primitive and obsolete.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:32 pm
Because science is willing to change. Scientists are happy when they're wrong because there's more to discover... Religion won't change. It hates being wrong.Knadan wrote:Just because science didn't come first, that doesn't mean it's always right either. There are plenty of examples of things being "proven" by science, and then lo and behold, it's actually wrong, or at least not completely right.Legal wrote:Okay fair enough my point about questioning God was unnecessary. But people wanted more answers to questions that religion couldn't answer. And so we started discovering.
But just because religion came first doesn't mean it's right. In fact it implies more so that religion is more primitive and obsolete.
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Martin Luther king Jr? One of my idols. I adore the man and think his work was amazing. His religious beliefs made him do good, not contradict science. If he went around saying the Earth is 7 days old and children burn in hell if they don't follow Jesus then I think he may have been a different kinda guy.Knadan wrote:Then what do you call Martin Luther?
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:46 pm
Religion in it self can not be arrogant, science in it self can not be arrogant.Legal wrote:You're telling me arrogance is a dangerous thing?
Religion is so ignorant. I'm the one saying that if you give me enough evidence I will trust you. Religion is not willing to change. Science is; I am.
You're totally misunderstanding me, Mike.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:47 pm
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:49 pm
Well said, I can agree on thatLegal wrote:As long as both religion and science are put to the good of humanity I couldn't care less.
Religion can't explain the laws of the universe in depth and it shouldn't try. Science can. Both can be used for good in their own way.
Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:54 pm
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